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| richgreen01 |
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| Wolfgang wrote: |
Yeah, I can't quite believe it either, but just not enough people signed up for 4e. So there it is.
OTOH, the project is 85% setting and 15% rules, so... It may still be of interest. Certainly the setting has supported 4E play in the past. |
It's really odd. Not sure where all the 4e fans who supported Wrath, Halls 4e, Courts and Lost City have all disappeared to!
I won't drop out if 4e isn't supported but I think it's really sad if it isn't as Open Design and Midgard have supported 4e from the start, even with all the GSL shenanigans. I would definitely be interested in working with other patrons to convert any rules elements to 4e (as we did with Halls) if anyone else is up for doing this.
And if you like 4e, sign up now and vote for your favourite system!
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| richgreen01 wrote: |
It's really odd. Not sure where all the 4e fans who supported Wrath, Halls 4e, Courts and Lost City have all disappeared to!
I won't drop out if 4e isn't supported but I think it's really sad if it isn't as Open Design and Midgard have supported 4e from the start, even with all the GSL shenanigans. I would definitely be interested in working with other patrons to convert any rules elements to 4e (as we did with Halls) if anyone else is up for doing this.
And if you like 4e, sign up now and vote for your favourite system!
Cheers
Richard |
Just a thought, but maybe us 4e participants can do some conversions on the side. |
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I agree completely that a patron-drive side project is a worthy endeavor.
I can't promise a lot of resources beyond a space on the patron boards for it, but I think it would find an audience.
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| afbeer |
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| richgreen01 wrote: |
It's really odd. Not sure where all the 4e fans who supported Wrath, Halls 4e, Courts and Lost City have all disappeared to!
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I guess, because of the famine of DA material people jump at the chance of having 3rd party DA material. DA is the new shiny, therefore demand is higher.
I am with you at 4E. Open Design concentrates on the fun as we see it. |
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| richgreen01 |
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| Wolfgang wrote: |
I agree completely that a patron-drive side project is a worthy endeavor.
I can't promise a lot of resources beyond a space on the patron boards for it, but I think it would find an audience. |
Cool! Happy to give it a go!
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| richgreen01 |
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| afbeer wrote: |
I guess, because of the famine of DA material people jump at the chance of having 3rd party DA material. DA is the new shiny, therefore demand is higher.
I am with you at 4E. Open Design concentrates on the fun as we see it. |
I think you're right about AGE - people want more support for the new system. |
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| richgreen01 wrote: |
| Wolfgang wrote: |
Yeah, I can't quite believe it either, but just not enough people signed up for 4e. So there it is.
OTOH, the project is 85% setting and 15% rules, so... It may still be of interest. Certainly the setting has supported 4E play in the past. |
It's really odd. Not sure where all the 4e fans who supported Wrath, Halls 4e, Courts and Lost City have all disappeared to!
I won't drop out if 4e isn't supported but I think it's really sad if it isn't as Open Design and Midgard have supported 4e from the start, even with all the GSL shenanigans. I would definitely be interested in working with other patrons to convert any rules elements to 4e (as we did with Halls) if anyone else is up for doing this.
And if you like 4e, sign up now and vote for your favourite system!
Cheers
Richard |
Rich,
I'm not personalizing your question, but I will give you answer as one of those very patrons you're describing... My players have rejected it flat out. I can't sell 4E except to go on Gm strike and force them, which doesnt lead to a healthy game.
I suppose I could look for a group that enjoys the system, but that is tantamount to firing my stable and regular gaming group that meets online weekly.
They would try Age, because it is new.
I never managed to give or present a positive 4e experience, and one was never had by them independent of me. Possibly some of the issues addressed by Essentials might have made a difference, but its too late for this group. I don't say that with any righteousness or indignation; hell, I still kinda like 4e.
But I just can't sell it.
No regrets on the previous projects though. I supported 4E versions of all the ones you listed. This time I am giving the Agers a chance.
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| richgreen01 wrote: |
| It's really odd. Not sure where all the 4e fans who supported Wrath, Halls 4e, Courts and Lost City have all disappeared to! |
I have been a patron for all of those projects. I also voted Pathfinder/Age. I don't have the dislike for 4E that some others have, but it isn't my top system. Some projects come with the system predetermined, others the topic is determined and we choose a system. I will certainly support 4E projects in the future, but at the moment I'm more curious what can do with Age.
I will also help with any patron driven 4E conversion efforts that come along.
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| ChristinaStiles |
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I haven't yet played AGE (bought it, though), but I'm happy to see everyone clamoring for support for it. That bodes very well for Green Ronin, one of my favorite companies. Good deal!
I'll have to start playing it! |
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| richgreen01 |
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Rich,
I'm not personalizing your question, but I will give you answer as one of those very patrons you're describing... My players have rejected it flat out. I can't sell 4E except to go on Gm strike and force them, which doesnt lead to a healthy game.
I suppose I could look for a group that enjoys the system, but that is tantamount to firing my stable and regular gaming group that meets online weekly.
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Jim, that makes total sense. I am lucky enough to have two groups of players who both enjoy 4e - they don't love every little thing about the system, but they don't miss 3.x at all either, nor have they expressed any interest in trying a new fantasy system.
And I understand people wanting support for what looks like a very good new fantasy RPG. I think it's just a shame that we couldn't find a way to support all three systems, perhaps by using the Freeport model.
What's happened now is that some of the 4e patrons have dropped out, the book will be published as Pathfinder/Dragon Age and Open Design will have moved further towards supporting Pathfinder first and foremost with infrequent 4e support. Without 4e in Midgard, I can see there being even less interest from current D&D players in Open Design going forward and consequently fewer 4e patron projects, if any. That would be a real pity as the Open Design 4e adventures have been much closer to what I want to run than anything from WotC.
Let's hope I'm worrying about nothing, Lost City and Courts of the Shadow Fey sell really well, and we get to see a high paragon/low epic 4e patron project soon. But I don't think I am.....
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will also help with any patron driven 4E conversion efforts that come along.
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Excellent!
Cheers
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As a side note about 4E, my group and myself have no interest in 4E (I'm not saying it's bad or anything).
BUT I do want to applaud Wolfgang for making room on the boards for patrons do convert the Midgard stuff.
I am very impressed. And happy for 4E gamers.
Have a great day!
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| Wolfgang |
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As noted in the recent Courier newsletter, the Midgard campaign setting is very close to its funding goal.
If you wish to join this project to build a setting with me, Jeff Grubb, and Brandon Hodge, please sign up today. The price will go up sharply sometime this week, when the commission is met and design begins.
On current trends, that day is coming sooner rather than later.
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I'm in, and only run 4E. I'd help people convert the information to 4E, for sure.
My theory is that 4E DMs have plenty of material, even open design material, at this point, but I could be wrong. I also think WotC is sucking all the life out of the non-gaming parts of 4E with their cancelling many products and not releasing much. There just isn't enthusiasm for the system right now. (I have no idea if this is true, of course).
I'm only in because I love settings. I don't need another one, but this is an entertaining setting that I feel I can use. |
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I'm in, and only run 4E. I'd help people convert the information to 4E, for sure.
My theory is that 4E DMs have plenty of material, even open design material, at this point, but I could be wrong. I also think WotC is sucking all the life out of the non-gaming parts of 4E with their cancelling many products and not releasing much. There just isn't enthusiasm for the system right now. (I have no idea if this is true, of course).
I'm only in because I love settings. I don't need another one, but this is an entertaining setting that I feel I can use. |
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I'm in, and only run 4E. I'd help people convert the information to 4E, for sure.
My theory is that 4E DMs have plenty of material, even open design material, at this point, but I could be wrong. I also think WotC is sucking all the life out of the non-gaming parts of 4E with their cancelling many products and not releasing much. There just isn't enthusiasm for the system right now. (I have no idea if this is true, of course).
I'm only in because I love settings. I don't need another one, but this is an entertaining setting that I feel I can use. |
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