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 Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:25 am Post subject: So what is the next step in starting the new Project? |
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The Polls have shown us that 3.5 and 4th Edition are close contenders. They'll only be differentianted by hard cold cash (donations).
And the beloved possible Pathfinder crossover can't happen until the spring or summer (I interpreted the announcement to mean that Erik and Company would rather you do a crossover with their new system and not 3.5, which makes sense I suppose).
So it's been quiet for awhile. Is it time to take the next step in preparation of the new Project? |
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| bullonir |
| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:07 am Post subject: |
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I thought the next step was getting Tales of Zobeck?
Just kidding. Sort of. I think that's what Wolfgang said.
But I am pretty anxious to get the ball rolling on the next one. It will be very interesting to see how it turns out...
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| varianor |
| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:48 am Post subject: |
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Wolfgang has gone from very busy to VERY busy, so yeah, I think we need to see the two current (and outstanding projects) move close to final form before we can get moving on the next one.
Oh wait, let me stop posting and get back to editing Wrath.  |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| Easy fellahs.. I've been out of internet contact for a week. I was just looking for the easy status update. Nobody is bustin' Wolfgang's chops or anything. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, trying to push two projects out the door is a bit trickier than just focusing on one.
I won't be launching the commissions phase for the next Open Design for a little while yet. Early December is looking ok, at this point.
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| bullonir |
| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Watcher,
Sorry if I came off the wrong way, I really didn't mean anything by this...
Thanks for the update anyway Wolfgang!
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| bullonir wrote: |
Hey Watcher,
Sorry if I came off the wrong way, I really didn't mean anything by this...
Thanks for the update anyway Wolfgang!
Patrick |
Nah.. you weren't. I think I was being prickly, sort of.
Messageboards tend to have this dogpile effect. I was just trying to avoid it.
Some additional context: Every OD regular brings something to the table. For reasons I don't wish to get into here, Tales of Zobeck was kinda hard on me. Now that it is in Editorial and Beyond, I'm trying to bounce back, regroup, and restart with a fresh new project. One of the things that I do well, is hit the streets and promote the projects at the commissioning time. Don't get me wrong, I don't take sole credit for that because a lot of people do this, and I'm sure Wolfgang appreciates it.
But, giving myself some credit, I usually hit EnWorld and Paizo pretty darn hard, answering questions, making sure the thread doesn't get buried until I'm reasonably sure a good number of people have seen it and read it. I also ping Wolfgang when I see a post or a comment that I think he might want to consider answering for himself.
That churns up a certain excitement in me, because I get invested in the promotion of the project.
A lot of people have gifts.. and lately I just haven't had a trap or a monster in me to offer. But!!! I can make a mean sales pitch.
Getting back to the original post.. it is sort of like the election. I was pretty excited about the Paizo possibility, but all that went down while I was on vacation. I came back and was looking for that rush..
You see, asking where we were at wasn't meant as a complaint. I was worried that after Varianor's post that people would see it in that light.
I'm perfectly cool with waiting till we clear the ledger and finish the existing Projects. Because I work in Sales and Project Management for commercial construction, I know the feeling of being overloaded. I also know what its like when you're writing for the gaming business too. Believe me, hahaha, the last thing I would want to do is tell Wolfgang or his Editors to hurry up. These days I'm all about grace and second chances.
We learned a lot from the polls and the discussions, both here and elsewhere.
We know, like or not, that all the Editions *are* represented. Enough so that while we can not say at this time which edition to use, we also know that a choice must be offered. We can't arbitrarily say 3.5 or Pathfinder, any more than we can say 4E. The donations must arbitrate.
We also know that the Lords project, however it mutated from the last time it was offered, is very viable with the Patrons.
We also know that the very same factors that make it viable might get it postponed to the Spring or Summer of '09... which really shifts things. The Angels and the Shadow Fae, and other Projects now take on a new light.
So no offense taken, no harm done.
In 2 or 3 weeks.. I'll be ready for the next three ring circus that is the Commissioning.  |
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| Aberzanzorax |
| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:22 am Post subject: It's not as close as it seems. |
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I have to say, while I agree that it is close, and I think there may be value in having both a 4e and a 3e project going, I see the numbers from a slightly different perspective.
As I posted in the edition thread:
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...I'd like to point out two things:
1. The votes for 3.5 vs 4e have been "split" by the pathfinder vote. I think (and I could be wrong) that it's safe to say that any votes for pathfinder would quickly be switched to 3.5 in a 3.5/4e head to head (think Perot or Nader).
2. I know there is a thread on the WotC boards that is trying to drum up business/votes for this to go 4e. I don't know how that would actually translate into patrons who want to pay if people are less invested because that is their only venue in. (They may be equally invested... however, there are a plethora of 4e adventures coming out--maybe none as good as open design--but there are really very few 3rd edition materials coming out).
And one last thought. It would be ideal if there were always two projects going (one 3rd and one 4th). There would be no need for "wars" if everyone was getting great stuff. The votes could even be separate. If they came up with the same project, it might even save some time/money!
My personal stance is that edition means more to me (right now) than actual topic (though both matter). I was less interested in the topic of Tales of Zobek than in Wrath of the River King. However, I'm a patron of Zobek and not of Wrath. The opposite may be true for those who love 4e.
Wolfgang, you could alternate a guest author and yourself for 3.5 and 4e projects. |
So I see the numbers (if we count pathfinder votes as 3e votes, which may be somewhat skewed, or it may be fair...and eliminate the True 20 and Modern/Cthulhu votes) as:
58.5% 3e
41.5% 4e
Finally, if it went 4e, it would be a deal breaker for me. I'd sign up immediately to be a patron for any of the proposed projects, but I would not sign up if it meant I'd be locked in to a 4e purchase. I suspect this might be the case for others as well.
A creative solution might be in order. My comments above are just one suggestion. |
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| Wolfgang |
| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:44 am Post subject: |
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You may be reading more into this than the poll warrants. The poll isn't a final determination; it's just getting a sense of what people support right now, in a completely unscientific way.
My hope was that if a poll had showed a clear victory for one or another set of mechanics, it would greatly simplify the commissioning process. But that hasn't happened.
When the next commission phase starts, I'll post plenty of notices about which projects and which edition is ahead in commissioning. And as always, you'll be fully refunded if your preferred project or edition does not move ahead.
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| Aberzanzorax |
| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject: You were right, |
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I was reading too much into it.
I've only ever become a patron after a project has gotten underway, so I am unfamiliar with this part of the process.
Thanks for the information, and I'll look more closely at the process in other posts. |
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