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| Amy Carrier |
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| ...I guess without writing an entire article on what I like, it would have to be the increased sense of teamwork and the spirit of working together. This plays both in combat and non-combat encounters... |
Well, I for one wouldn't mind if you wrote an expanded post going into this aspect in more detail. You are the second person to mention the "increased teamwork" aspect, and I am itching with curiosity about just how this comes about under the 4E rules. I have read them, and haven't seen anything that looks like it would either increase or decrease teamwork. Inquiring minds want to know!
P.S. Just as a side-note: I've never seen any teamwork issues in my campaign (1E through 3.5E). If you do choose to write an expanded post, could you mention what the teamwork was like in your old campaigns? Thanks!  |
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| tzu-theory |
| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:38 am Post subject: |
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Specifically, in 3.x I felt like the game revolved entirely around what I call the "Me" phenomenon. It was all about what could "I" do to maximize my potential in combat. I have found that in 4e my group(s) tend to coordinate more with interlocking abilities to maximize the potential of the group. As well, I do not feel someone could truly make a terrible character. At best everyone has the opportunity to contribute to the success of the group in each skill-challenge or combat situation. No longer are you inundated with finding feat combinations or with the realization that you (the DM) are required to limit which splat-books are allowed.
I personally loved 3.x for what it was, and I would gladly play a pick-up game here and there. But, I honestly feel 4e creates an environment conducive to team-play. The proof is in the pudding. If you ever ventured over to any of the numerous optimization boards for D&D, you could at any given time find builds that were focused on the “me” aspect of the game. Now, you are finding more and more combinations that involve others because it is so critical to how 4e runs. This in and of itself is why I prefer 4e. I am in no way condemning 3.x or even stating it is worse. It is simple different. |
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| Zherog |
| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| tzu-theory wrote: |
| Specifically, in 3.x I felt like the game revolved entirely around what I call the "Me" phenomenon. It was all about what could "I" do to maximize my potential in combat. I have found that in 4e my group(s) tend to coordinate more with interlocking abilities to maximize the potential of the group. |
Hmmm... My 3.5 groups - even the ones populated with powergamers - tend to work together to build a group.
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| As well, I do not feel someone could truly make a terrible character. |
This is definitely a problem in 3.5, though. Especially if the group is of mixed powergaming "ability."
I can't comment on 4e, though. I've read the PHB, but I haven't had a chance to play it yet. In reading, there were things I liked and things I didn't - just like any other game. I don't actually have any experience with how it plays, though. And barring finding a play-by-post game, I'm probably not going to know what it's like for the foreseeable future.
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| tzu-theory |
| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| Well, I could just not be communicating it well enough. It's just my perspective on the edition as a whole. I feel 3.x is still viable and enjoyable to play, I just prefer 4e for now. I was hesitant to move to 3.x after AD&D and I assume there is always reservations when moving on to a new edition. Heck, there are still groups out there that refuse to move on from 2e |
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| Zherog |
| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:20 am Post subject: |
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Nope, I think you're communicating your ideas just fine. I'm just saying that in my own personal experiences, groups in 3.5 work together to ensure the party has good synergy; your experience, it would seem, is different. That's OK - it's one of the things that makes gaming so cool.
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| Amy Carrier |
| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:44 am Post subject: Armoury99, are you still out there? |
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| Hey Armoury99, have you thought any about a follow-up to your original post? I really am quite interested in how your long-term experience with 4E compares with your initial impressions. |
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