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| The Gremlin |
 Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject: Extra Dragons? |
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When I heard that 4.0 is cutting brass a bronze, it got me thinking about creating some new dragons. Let's see...in OA, I think there are lung, in MM2 there are gems, in Dragon #356 there are Ferrous, and in MM there are Chromatic and Metallic. Hmm...How about clay dragons? Or wood?
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| Zherog |
| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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This is the second reference I've seen to brass and bronze being cut from 4e. Could somebody provide me a reference quote and/or (preferably) a link to where it was said?
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| deClench |
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| varianor |
| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| New dragons would be cool. I'd like to see dragons of the mind instead of physical things. Nightmare wyrms, dreamwyverns, phantasm drakes, etc. |
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| Wolfgang |
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| varianor wrote: |
| New dragons would be cool. I'd like to see dragons of the mind instead of physical things. Nightmare wyrms, dreamwyverns, phantasm drakes, etc. |
Hmmm, I sense a query in the air.
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| carolina |
| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe it's me, or the style of game I prefer ---
but I'd rather go toe-to-toe with an angry drake or a crafty wyvern or something other than the godlike dragons that swoop down and own the field.
I like cool flavor abilities -- but spellcasting dragons is just too fairy-tale-ish for me.
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| varianor |
| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Wolfgang wrote: |
| Hmmm, I sense a query in the air. |
I was just tossing ideas out there a couple days ago.  However, you are indeed psychic as I decided to send in a query. |
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| nellisir |
| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| If (when) someone does an article on dragons, or variant (varianor?) dragons, I'd like to see some balance between 12 age categories (too many!) and one uber-dragon (see 3e linnorms). I've seen at least one book on dragons that gave drakes 4 age categories; I thought that worked well. I've never run a campaign over 12th level, so lower-level monsters are more useful than higher level monsters. |
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| RedDragon |
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| I was working on some ecologies for the current dragons. It never occured to me to make up new ones. How about some of the legendary, named, dragons. I think I have a book somewhere. I'll be back. |
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| nellisir |
| Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| RedDragon wrote: |
| How about some of the legendary, named, dragons. |
I've never come close to using a "legendary, named" dragon. I have my own names and backstories for dragons IMC, and as I said, my campaigns haven't gone above 12th level, so I can't even use the stat blocks.
So that's a "no" vote from me. |
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| Phil Larwood |
| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| The reason they are getting rid of brass and bronze dragons is that they are not pure metallic dragons, but rather alloys. That's why they have replaced them with iron dragons and the like. Some people will hate it, but for me it's pretty irrelevant. I've actually never liked brass dragons. |
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| The Gremlin |
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If there is a new article on new true dragons of any type, it has to be remembered that there is always a balance between them. There are five gems, five metallics, five chromatics. Planar dragons don't count, although now that you mention it the Positive and Negative dragons are missing, as are the dragons from The Plane of Shadow.
Anyways, if you add another metallic, you gotta add another in each of the other categories.
Just remember that.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Meh, the symmetry doesn't do much for me one way or the other. But the Brass dragons are cool, mostly because one was a major NPC in the first campaign I ever ran.
Ancient Wyrm Brass Dragon telling 1st level PCs where to go and what to do. I may have been a BIT heavy-handed, but I was 12.
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| Koldoon |
| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:17 am Post subject: Balance |
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I never saw much balancing in the dragons... I mean, traditionally there have been orange, yellow, and purple chromatic dragons too... I never saw anything balancing them.
Those were always some of my favorite dragons too. They were reimagined for 3.5 in the Dragon Compendium.
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| Phil Larwood |
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| Wolfgang wrote: |
Meh, the symmetry doesn't do much for me one way or the other. But the Brass dragons are cool, mostly because one was a major NPC in the first campaign I ever ran.
Ancient Wyrm Brass Dragon telling 1st level PCs where to go and what to do. I may have been a BIT heavy-handed, but I was 12. |
You see, I prefer copper dragons. With brass and blue dragons (and yellow and sand dragons), the world's deserts had way too many dragons. Also, the brass dragon didn't seem to know what it wanted to be. I think the brass dargon of 1st and 2nd ed. was more its own creature than it became in 3.5. Of course, when I run something like Greyhawk or Pathfinder (just started finally) I include brass dragons in the mix.
Funnily the more difficult change to swallow with the chromatic dragons is that blue dragons are now coastal-dwelling dragons, not desert-dwelling dragons. |
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