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| Maybe. I love planar adventures, but I'm not sold on a Pathfinder-specific project. |
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| Maybe. I love Pathfinder, but the planes aren't a big thing for me. |
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| No. Open Design should concentrate on humbler fare with a wider audience. |
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| WOW! Pathfinder and The Great Beyond! Holy Shemeska, sign me up! |
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| Lord Snorkus |
 Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:34 am Post subject: [Suggestion] Future OD patronage project: The Great Beyond? |
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Just an idle thought. Todd Stewart's The Great Beyond book detailed out a bit of Paizo's take on the multiverse, but obviously only covered the broad basics. I would love to see an adventure set in some of these new places for the Pathfinder ruleset. Any chance of something like this occuring in the future?
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| deinol |
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I've been wanting an OD follow up to "Beyond the Countless Doorways" for, well, as long as I've known about Open Design. There seem to be enough projects going on for now, but this would be high on my list for the next batch.
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| Lord Snorkus |
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| deinol wrote: |
| I've been wanting an OD follow up to "Beyond the Countless Doorways" for, well, as long as I've known about Open Design. There seem to be enough projects going on for now, but this would be high on my list for the next batch. |
Yeah I LOVE that book, and it is chock full of great story seeds. I would love to see this project, but I am sure it wouldn't be feasable until quite a bit down the line. But, it's never too early to spitball ideas for next year's patron projects! |
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| I would dearly love this as a Patron Project! |
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I can't believe I am about to write this with little or no thought. This is like somebody dumped a bucket of ice water over my head and tossed me an exposed and active electrical wire.
I choked on RPG Superstar with an Extra-Planar Adventure set in the Golarion milleu. The judges didn't care for it. But the posters seemed to love it. It was too ambitious for 32 pages among other issues. <shrug>
Todd Stewart or Brandon Hodge.
If they call the posse I'd saddle up today. I'd step over any dead body to try that again.
You got my attention.
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I remember suggesting something very similar towards the end of Halls of the Mountain King (in style very Planescape/basically "Beyond Countless Zobeckian Doorways"), but at the time Wolfgang was looking for an adventure rather than a gazetteer, so it got turned into my Death Makers pitch.
I'd definitely love to channel some of that old avant-garde Planescape spirit, but I'm much more interested in Zobeck-based locations than Golarion-specific ones... Partly just because Zobeck stuff fits my homebrew campaign world just about perfectly, but mainly because Open Design has (for me) a history of getting the perfect balance between 'unique flavor' and 'generic portability'.
So my answer is always going to be "I love planar adventures, but I'm not sold on a Pathfinder-specific project" - Not that I'm knocking the Pathfinder setting at all. I'm sure there are ways to achieve both ends.
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| Lord Snorkus |
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| Watcher wrote: |
| You got my attention. |
Considering the grand scope of your proposal during the RPG Superstar Final Four, I would say you would be an excellent choice to help craft a grandiose planar adventure. I voted for you! 
When doing the planes 'Go big or go home' after all ... |
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| Lord Snorkus |
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| Dan Voyce wrote: |
| So my answer is always going to be "I love planar adventures, but I'm not sold on a Pathfinder-specific project" - Not that I'm knocking the Pathfinder setting at all. I'm sure there are ways to achieve both ends. |
Oh sure. And if it used the Great Beyond, with Zobeck as the starting point, that would be great as well. I am more interested in exploring the mostly-virgin territory of the planar areas that Todd Stewart detailed in The Great Beyond .
Does Zobeck have any planar canon in place already? I can't seem to recall any offhand. I am a big fan of The old D&D Great Wheel cosmology, and a rabid Planescape fan as well. I just didn't know how much of that stuff is available for use. |
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| Without special licensing, you couldn’t use ideas from The Great Beyond or even the Great Wheel, as both of those are IP of their respective companies. You could create a cosmology that is “a” Great Wheel, but not that one in particular. I haven’t seen much information about Midgard’s cosmology, but if I were to make a guess, it’d seem like the setting would have a Great Tree cosmology. |
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| Lord Snorkus |
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| Daigle wrote: |
| Without special licensing, you couldn’t use ideas from The Great Beyond or even the Great Wheel, as both of those are IP of their respective companies. You could create a cosmology that is “a” Great Wheel, but not that one in particular. I haven’t seen much information about Midgard’s cosmology, but if I were to make a guess, it’d seem like the setting would have a Great Tree cosmology. |
Oh I realize that, but OD has done stuff in conjunction with PFRPG before. Although, perhaps a Zobeck/Midgard planar exploration would be interesting as well. I love Planescape, but I know that is pretty much closed off now. At least for the non 4e crowd. |
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| Lord Snorkus wrote: |
| Does Zobeck have any planar canon in place already? I can't seem to recall any offhand. I am a big fan of The old D&D Great Wheel cosmology, and a rabid Planescape fan as well. I just didn't know how much of that stuff is available for use. |
There's almost no planar canon for Zobeck. There is an adjacent Plane of Shadows quite reachable from Zobeck and the Margreve, there's a Hell or series of Hells referred to in a number of places, there's a Saint Charon (though I'm not sure whether the Styx is printed somewhere yet), and there's fey realms which may be planar or simply magical pocket dimensions.
That's about it for canon at this point.
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| Lord Snorkus wrote: |
| Daigle wrote: |
| Without special licensing, you couldn’t use ideas from The Great Beyond or even the Great Wheel, as both of those are IP of their respective companies. You could create a cosmology that is “a” Great Wheel, but not that one in particular. I haven’t seen much information about Midgard’s cosmology, but if I were to make a guess, it’d seem like the setting would have a Great Tree cosmology. |
Oh I realize that, but OD has done stuff in conjunction with PFRPG before. Although, perhaps a Zobeck/Midgard planar exploration would be interesting as well. I love Planescape, but I know that is pretty much closed off now. At least for the non 4e crowd. |
Yeah Daigle, I was assuming since they actually referenced The Great Beyond in the poll, that special licensing (similar to S2S) was the intent behind that specific choice.
If it's not.. well then it was unclear. The Great Beyond probably shouldn't be used in a general context to refer to other planar adventures.
My hope however is that you're just wrong.
I'm sort of kidding of course. No offense, Adam. I'd just like to see another special license deal made with Paizo.
On the other hand.. playing Devil Advocate against myself, I'd like us to be able to go past 32 pages (including advertising). What little design work I have done is making feel that 32 pages doesn't allow for enough latitude for planar adventure. Eeeeh, Maybe, maybe not. I have mixed feelings on the subject.
So maybe keeping it outside of Golarion is actually better, if for that reason alone.. Unless they were willing to consider another format than the Pathfinder Modules line, which I doubt. Dunno though, Erik once mused the idea of a mega-adventure once.
Really, a planar Gazeteer with an adventure is really called for here. Like Sunken Empires paired with S2S. The new GameMastery Guide does expand planar adventuring but no where on the scope and detail that the topic deserves.
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The fact that there is so little Cannon for Zobeck at this point, is one of those things I like the best.
I think a jaunt to a single alternate world or location in the Great beyond would add a lot yet not take away from the ability to customize or expand on the realm at my leisure. |
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My personal preference is to take the Beyond Countless Doorways approach, detailing specific locations with maps, large-than-nromal adventure seeds, and associated monsters and magic - the linking factor/unifying theme in this case being that they're planes/planar locations appropriate to Zobeck: Mammon's Golden Hell, the Gear Plane, home of the Shadow fey, etc.
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What I would like to see is a Planes of Zobeck anthology. Either a combined sourcebook + adventures or split into two books (Planar Zobeck Gazetteer and Planar Adventures Anthology), depending on the size of the project we get.
Sourcebook section would be 6 planes with Zobeck (ok, Midgard now) flare. Details for the realms of the six main Gods of Zobeck.
Adventure section would be 3-5 short adventures in the planes, in the style of Tales of Zobeck or Streets of Zobeck.
As interesting as the Golarion planes are, unless someone has a compelling pitch for a great adventure that needs to be in the Great Beyond (the way From Shore to Sea was based on Azlant) I think we should do our own thing.
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