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| farewell2kings |
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Actually, I don't like any dragons except the firebreathing types at all.
Who ever heard of a chlorine gas breathing dragon anyway. My homebrew campaign worlds featured dragons that were unique as humans in their alignments, but they all breathed fire, and dragonfire was special in the sense that DR to fire did not work against it.
You had to have dragonscale armor to protect against dragonfire and anyone who owned such a suit was hunted relentlessly by all dragons. |
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| Tom |
| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Stefan, great idea! I think I will use it for my campaigns as well, without telling my players of this! Will give them a shock, when they are going to face the white dragon in RotRL  |
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| Hal Maclean |
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| farewell2kings wrote: |
Actually, I don't like any dragons except the firebreathing types at all.
Who ever heard of a chlorine gas breathing dragon anyway. My homebrew campaign worlds featured dragons that were unique as humans in their alignments, but they all breathed fire, and dragonfire was special in the sense that DR to fire did not work against it.
You had to have dragonscale armor to protect against dragonfire and anyone who owned such a suit was hunted relentlessly by all dragons. |
I'm the opposite. I like lots of different breath attacks and often don't restrict them to a particular hue (except white dragons pretty much always breath cold, just a little quirk). |
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| farewell2kings |
| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| Tom wrote: |
| Stefan, great idea! I think I will use it for my campaigns as well, without telling my players of this! Will give them a shock, when they are going to face the white dragon in RotRL |
Thanks, but don't you think that if the dragons were like this in your world, someone who knew about dragons, like a sage or someone with enough ranks in Knowledge: Arcana (or whatever knowledge skill applies to dragonlore) shouldn't be given a chance to know this? |
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| The Gremlin |
| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: Re: Balance |
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I never saw much balancing in the dragons... I mean, traditionally there have been orange, yellow, and purple chromatic dragons too... I never saw anything balancing them.
Those were always some of my favorite dragons too. They were reimagined for 3.5 in the Dragon Compendium.
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That was from the Dragon Compendium. They had a lot of things that made no sense in there, especially because they were originally made in a different edition. That's the problem: Too many people with delusions of grandeur who think they'll make a new metallic dragon or something. They'll make it, thinking that they're really cool, but won't bother with adding a new gem and chromatic dragon.
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| Daigle |
| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| As far as dragons go, I'm kinda getting tired of full age category hued dragons. I enjoy dragon type creatures that still have the awe-inspiring power and devious nature that made me love dragons to begin with. I'd love to see more dragon type creatures that are not some dragon spawn or weird humanoid crossbreed. Drakes, linnorms, yes. Give me more of that flavor. |
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| Koldoon |
| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:54 am Post subject: Re: Balance |
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| The Gremlin wrote: |
| Koldoon wrote: |
I never saw much balancing in the dragons... I mean, traditionally there have been orange, yellow, and purple chromatic dragons too... I never saw anything balancing them.
Those were always some of my favorite dragons too. They were reimagined for 3.5 in the Dragon Compendium.
- Ashavan |
That was from the Dragon Compendium. They had a lot of things that made no sense in there, especially because they were originally made in a different edition. That's the problem: Too many people with delusions of grandeur who think they'll make a new metallic dragon or something. They'll make it, thinking that they're really cool, but won't bother with adding a new gem and chromatic dragon. |
Um.... the alternate colored dragons (purple, orange, and yellow) were done three separate times in Dragon magazine, long before the Dragon Compendium.
And you should note that gem dragons existed prior to 3e also (again, from a dragon magazine article).
I'd love to see where this balance reference in terms of numbers of true dragons comes from, I don't recall seeing it anywhere official, ever.
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| Wolfgang |
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The original gem dragons were published in the very first issue of Dragon magazine I ever bought, issue #36. They had Sardior, they had psionics (1E!), and they were awesome.
I put them in my campaign immediately, and freaked out the players a bit.
Might be cool to have a new gem dragon as a Monday Monster.
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| Tom |
| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| farewell2kings wrote: |
| Thanks, but don't you think that if the dragons were like this in your world, someone who knew about dragons, like a sage or someone with enough ranks in Knowledge: Arcana (or whatever knowledge skill applies to dragonlore) shouldn't be given a chance to know this? |
Sure, but I am also sure that my players won't ask a single sage on this topic... |
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| The Gremlin |
| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Balance |
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| Koldoon wrote: |
I never saw much balancing in the dragons... I mean, traditionally there have been orange, yellow, and purple chromatic dragons too... I never saw anything balancing them.
Those were always some of my favorite dragons too. They were reimagined for 3.5 in the Dragon Compendium.
- Ashavan |
That was from the Dragon Compendium. They had a lot of things that made no sense in there, especially because they were originally made in a different edition. That's the problem: Too many people with delusions of grandeur who think they'll make a new metallic dragon or something. They'll make it, thinking that they're really cool, but won't bother with adding a new gem and chromatic dragon. |
Um.... the alternate colored dragons (purple, orange, and yellow) were done three separate times in Dragon magazine, long before the Dragon Compendium.
And you should note that gem dragons existed prior to 3e also (again, from a dragon magazine article).
I'd love to see where this balance reference in terms of numbers of true dragons comes from, I don't recall seeing it anywhere official, ever.
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I don't recall saying that they didn't originally occur in Dragon, that was my whole point.
As for gem dragons, it would appear that someone was looking at the MM and saw a very tiny pattern, and created 5 gems.
And I didn't say it was a rule, otherwise people probably wouldn't be breaking it. However, all the OFFICIAL rulebooks have yet to break it.
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| Aeolius |
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How about tiny dragons; Hookwyrms, Ringwyrms, Heartwyrms, and Tapewyrms?  |
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| Daigle |
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| Phil Larwood |
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| Aeolius wrote: |
| How about tiny dragons; Hookwyrms, Ringwyrms, Heartwyrms, and Tapewyrms? |
That is absolutely classic! 
It makes me want to write an adventure in which the PCs are magically shrunk to microscopic size and injected into the bloodstream of an epic-level wizard whose body is being taken over by alien parasites. You could have the tiny PCs fight a giant worm (which worm has teeth and could swallow pCs?), swarms of white blood cells and other funky things. |
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| Amy Carrier |
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| farewell2kings wrote: |
Actually, I don't like any dragons except the firebreathing types at all.
Who ever heard of a chlorine gas breathing dragon anyway. My homebrew campaign worlds featured dragons that were unique as humans in their alignments, but they all breathed fire, and dragonfire was special in the sense that DR to fire did not work against it.
You had to have dragonscale armor to protect against dragonfire and anyone who owned such a suit was hunted relentlessly by all dragons. |
I strongly suspect TSR's original idea (30+ years ago) for chlorine dragonbreath came from the Norse legends about dragons. According to those stories, dragons lived in deep caverns and their foul-smelling breath was so poisonous that no vegetation could grow near their lair. Now as for the other breath weapons, your guess is as good as mine... |
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